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  Quality of newer membership

  by Lostandfound in

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  on a previous post mamacita29 pointed up the low quality of new jw converts.. is the quality falling even more as the society use lower than low meeting, talks, broadcasts etc.. when i was active initially the organisation and standards seemed totally different today.

  i have seen hard working intelligent elders fall by death or exhaustion.

  the younger generation that came along never really grasped responsibility hence shortage of good elders, never mind the watered down to almost nothing quality of meetings.

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  Nathan Natas

  It was almost 60 years ago that my mom accepted her free home brainwashing sessions. I have to agree with my fellow travelers here of my "generation" that today's JWs seem especially dumb and weak, "un-qualified to be ministers," we might say.

  This is the fault of the WTB&TS itself. They built their Watchtower on the sand of false prophecy, fabricating "bible-based" chronology as it suited them, patterning a "New World Society" on the laws of ancient Israel, gleefully ignoring the concept that Jesus came to FULFILL and DO AWAY WITH Mosaic law, drawing goofy conclusions about how THEY fulfilled almost EVERY prophecy ever recorded in the Bible, playing "fill-in-the-blanks" games with their membership, then blaming that membership when the blanks were filled with the conclusions, anticipations, speculations, and expectations that were provided by the WTB&TS in the pages that THEY WROTE. This has been topped off by an "Armageddon is very close but probably won't come in your lifetime" sense of non-urgency. So the time for boring public talks has been reduced, the time for boring meetings has been reduced and the time requirement for boring door-to-door work in the face of an unconcerned public has been reduced. Soon a pioneer will be putting in ten exhausting hours a month.

  Back in my day (the old man complained) we may have been WRONG, but we BELIEVED our message and we believed that ours was a life-saving work that was required if we were to save OUR OWN lives. Today, not so much, it seems.
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  Cappytan has made a video. Here is the link

  by joe134cd in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsbfnzrbiqq

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  "The gift that keeps on missing."
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  Cue to leave

  by Grey Goose in

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  2. friends

  just reading a thread about one circuit saying the pubs must donate $10.. it got me thinking, that if it ever became policy to donate a % of ones income, that would be my cue to leave.

  or i would kick up such a stink about it i would be kicked out.

  either would be good for me.. so, is there any public policy changes which would be your cue to leave?.

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  I had my fill about 40 years ago. Don't hesitate!

  I like what Lost Generation said, "Nothing wrong with waiting on Jehovah from the comfort of your own couch."

  
  

  A few years ago I said about the Memorial, "I can reject the emblems from the comfort of my living room; I don't need to "gather" with others for this."

  
  
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  New light?

  by Maxee in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what scripture if any is the organisation using now to validate the changes they have made regarding new light?

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  has anyone heard any more on this and do all the brothers and sisters now know about the changes.. just curious

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  ""You have fooled me, O Jehovah, and I was fooled. You used your strength against me, and you prevailed. I have become a laughingstock all day long; Everyone ridicules me." -- Jeremiah 20:7

  
  
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  Do People Have Spirits? What Do the Early Texts Say?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for years adventist sects, including the jws, have believed that the dead sleep at death and remain non-existent until the resurrection.

  its strongest argument seems to be text in the non-escchatological book of ecclesiastes in the old testament.

  although a part of the canon of scripture, the book is not written by a prophet, nor is there any prophecy or recognizable doctrine contained therein.

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  I was associated with the Dubs from the late 1950s when my mom had her free home brainwashing sessions until the mid 1970s, when I left my mom's home and, soon after that, left the JWs for good.

  There used to be a part of the TMS that was reading through the Bible, end-to-end, not even skipping the "begats." (That was tedious!)

  When we finally got to Ecclesiastes I thought to myself, "AHA! Now THIS is TRUTH!"

  The comment "Atheists shut out things they can't understand, or don't want to understand" has it backwards.

  There is no spirit realm containing any kind of sentient life, and there is no such thing as the soul. We are made of meat, and WE ARE DELICIOUS!
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  Taped DA Letter to KH Door

  by lambsbottom in

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  http://imgur.com/ewqucku

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  Nathan Natas

  You must be a COMMUNICATIONS MAJOR.

  Am I right?
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  Cappytan has made a video. Here is the link

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsbfnzrbiqq

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  Thanks for nothing, I guess.
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  Hey ya'll! My first post. Please help. In need of advice/comfort.

  by Stepford Wife in

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  hey ya'll!

  i have been lurking for years on this site and others but never had the courage to post anything.

  actually i was afraid of posting on an apostate site in the event i was wrong.

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  StepfordWife said,
  "...When I told my husband that I would take blood he started to cry and tell me that I was one step away from being an apostate and that it would be his duty to report me if I mention this again."
  Is your elder husband aware that the WTB&TS has said "OK" to the use of Hemopure, which is made from cow's blood? (The Watchtower, June 15, 2000 said "...when it comes to fractions of any of the primary components, each Christian, after careful and prayerful meditation, must conscientiously decide for himself." pages 29-31.) Does he think that people should be reported for conscientiously making decisions for themselves, or does making decisions for yourself mean you still have to do what Sister EasilyStumbled thinks is right? Your Hubby must not be keeping up with Jehovah's chariot.
  "My husband said they will remove him as an elder if I do not begin to go to meetings. Is that true?" I think is is. Does your Husband feel it is fair for him to be punished for your lack of energy?
  As ScenicViewer suggested, maybe you have fibromyalgia. Maybe you are beginning to feel the burden of aging in this old system of things. Is it a sin to be ill and low energy? Maybe you've been a little depressed lately. Maybe you've got a touch of arthritis. You know the only prescription is Jehovah's Marvellous Free-Lunch Picnic in Paradise, and you can't wait!
  A few years ago one of the members here was asked "Do you still believe this is Jehovah's organisation?" His reply was, "Oh yes, I do... I'm just not sure God exists." They left him alone. I'm not suggesting that you say this, but it shows you how Jehovah's Magic Spirit makes one wise.
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  Rebel8's advice is excellent! Keep thanking them for taking such loving concern for you and that you know how busy they are, etc. This is known as "Blowing smoke up their ass." Elders are vain and adore flattery.
  
  
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  I need some advise

  by Lost his mind in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  following is a letter i am going to send to the entire family both jw and non.

  i would like to get your advice on whether i should do it.

  my husband has told me before to voice my complaints but i have yet.

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  You must do what you feel is right, but you should know that you may feel differently later.

  Sorry if this sounds like a fortune cookie, but I had Chinese for lunch.

  I give you five stars for spiciness.
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  whats so bad about believing people go to heaven?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it occurred to me today, that so often, my mother will make the comment that .

  "those false religions teach that everyone is going to heaven when they die, oh sure, .

  all you have to do is be a good person, and off you go to heaven.

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  Q.: What's so bad about believing people go to heaven?

  A.: For openers, such a believe is incorrect and has no basis in observable reality. It is an extraordinary claim for which no extraordinary proof is offered. The fact is that there is no such thing as a "spirit realm" populated by any kind of gods, angels or demons. There is no soul and there is no heaven for a soul to go to. These things are the inventions of chimpanzee imagination seeking desperately for a meaning for their lives. On a universal scale, our lives are as meaningful to the universe as the life of a spider, axolotl or fossa.

  Secondly, such a belief encourages the believer to view this life as a "dress rehearsal" for something better that will come along as soon as they finish with this nasty trail of tears. Such a belief encourages people to tolerate evil because they figure that evil will be handled in the "world to come."

  It makes trusting simple souls the dupes of narcissistic liars and con men.

  It is the desperate refuge of ignorant shallow thinkers.

  THAT is what is so bad about believing people go to heaven.